that the president is going to have his hand on martin luther king's bible. he's doing the whole weekend before the inaugural, it's all about martin luther king in service. and med gar evers widow is doing the convocation before the inaugural speech. so it's a big martin luther king day. he'll be our second president as of sunday. second term. >> i understand you met with president obama recently? >> a group of historians including doris, we meet periodically, a few times now at the white house and have what we call a historians dinner and talk to president obama. they're off the record, but i think it's fair to say he likes talking about presidential history and likes hearing about abraham lincoln. he's from illinois and really cares about lincoln. he's aware of lincoln's famous second inaugural. but also theodore roosevelt, dwight eisenhower, ronald reagan. i look at it more as a form of relaxation for the president when we get to meet him. he gets to chew the fat a lit bit about past presidents. >> doris, you're a presidential expert, how do you rate presi